, online, we've got the technology online -- >> what if some crazy guy you described in upstate new york wants to go to a gun show? he can go buy a gun. >> wolf, that would be -- first off, that hasn't happened. if you look at that guy in upstate new york, he stole his gun. these people don't go -- >> he could, technically, if there's no background check, if you have a criminal record, he can go to a gun show, where he can buy a gun without a background check. technically, that's obviously possible. >> let's quit dealing with the hypothetical, though, and start dealing with reality, wolf. that hasn't happened. >> there are a lot of people -- >> that hasn't happened. >> people can buy guns at gun shows. >> those are law-abiding citizens, wolf. show me one -- >> unfortunately, there aren't a whole lot of -- >> wolf, wolf. >> there's plenty who aren't representative. right now, you can be on the no-fly list, you're not allowed to board a plane, but you can go to a gun show and buy a gun. is there a contradiction there? >> wolf, show me one, one time one of these criminals has gone to a gun